I know it's been a while since we have used blogging to have class discussions in the past; therefore, I just want to go over a few guidelines.
I listed my class expectations on your course outline, but I think that the first expectation is particularly relevant to the learning forum this blog provides. My first expectation is as follows:
1. Students should respect their own potential, the rights and ideas of their peers, and the efforts of all adults who work to educate them.
To make a long story short, I expect you to be respectful in class, and my expectations extend to cyberspace. I bring this up because as this class continues, we will be making comments back and forth to each other. In short, be nice- you're too old to be acting foolish and I'm too tired to get on your case. 'Nuff said.
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The prompt I am going to give you deals with The Wanderer. Since you will be posting after we discuss this piece in class, I am hoping you will have good things to share with me (and with each other). Please use the rubric as a guide; even though this type of writing is very informal, it is still graded, and of course you want to make the most of this opportunity.
Here is the prompt:
How does this man’s experience have value from:
a.
An AS warrior’s point of view?
b.
A Christian point of view?
Please do not forget the due date, which is Thursday, August 16, 2012 by 12 pm. After that, the late policy applies, so please plan accordingly.
A.)The man's experience has value to an AS warrior becasue Anglo Saxons were really commited to thier tradition and clan. The man's experience has value because the poem shows that the man is standing strong through all the hardships. In the poem the man shows pride and strength and comes out as the brave warrior that he is.For example, these following stanzas show the sacrifices his making as a warrior. This shows alot of value becasue he is sacrificing himself for his entire clan: 1: So I,
ReplyDelete2: often wretched and sorrowful,
3: bereft of my homeland,
4: far from noble kinsmen,
5: have had to 6: bind in fetters
7: my 8: inmost thoughts,
There are also some stanzas that summerize how he would feel as a warrior:So spoke the wanderer,
mindful of hardships,
of fierce slaughters
and the downfall of kinsmen. This stanzas specify the hardships that the warrior is going through.
B.)The man's experience has a christian value becasue they man is trying to find himself after being lost and confused. The man's constant struggle is keeping himself close to
christianity and bringing him closer to his faith. The man's experience brings christian value because he overcomes many temptations that may lead him to further from his religion. There are stanzas that summerize how this man is a warrior deep inside becasuse he is overcoming many problems in order to reach his faith the way he should:How that time has passed away,
dark under the cover of night,
as if it had never been!
Now there stands in the trace
of the beloved troop
a wall, wondrously high,
wound round with serpents.
A. In the p.o.v of a warrior, the wanderer has done what is expected of him. He is the perfect definition of an Anglo Saigon Warrior because he fought for his king faithfully. He continues to fight even with the lost of his lord, home, and family. The only thing he did that was against tradition was not dying in battle. Being a true warrior is the only thing that AS would value and by not dying in battle it proves that the wanderer is lost and does not know what is important to him anymore. When someone does the same thing for so long and then to suddenly go without it they feel lost example: losing your job that you had for 10 years.
ReplyDeleteB. From the point of view of a Christian the wanderer is walking the road redemption. Before he lost everything he wrongfully worshiped his thane instead he should have been worshipping god. Now he can see his wrong doing because he has lost his old lord his mind is no longer cloudy he can clearly think now and realize that god is his only master. Even in present times people say that you have to hit the bottom low in your life before you accept god as your lord. It is the same thing with the wanderer he lost everything now he is on the path to discovering his true lord.
1. The wanderer’s experience has value from an Angle-Saxon’s point of view by the way he honors his lord and values a lot of materialistic things. For instance, the wanderer glorifies his king when “he thinks in his mind that he embraces and kisses his lord.” When the wanderer wakes up in the poem, the reality of never being with his king again finally sets in his mind. In significance, “then are the heavier, the wounds of the heart, grievous with longing for the lord.” From an Anglo-Saxons point of view, people put their all into mankind. Anglo-Saxons focus more on the things of the earth.
ReplyDelete2. The wanderer’s experience has value from a Christian’s point of view by the way he puts his faith in God to direct his life. The wanderer understands that “all the foundation of this world turns to waste.” He is well aware that nothing lasts forever, so it is best for him to search for Christian salvation. God will be there for him when everything else fails, so “it is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests.” In all actuality, everything on Earth will not always be here for people to rely on. It is best for people to put their hope, faith, trust, and love in God because he will not forsake us. People will hurt us, but God wouldn’t. God is who we’ll have left when everything else is gone.
The experience encountered by the narrator in The Wanderer was valued in an Anglo-Saxon sense as well as a Christian sense. I believe the narrator reminisces on his life from an Anglo sense first then added the Christian sense afterwards to show his transition from the past to the present. For instance, the narrator states “He remembers hall warriors and the giving of treasure. How in youth his Lord (gold friend) accustomed him to the feasting. All the joy has died.“ The life style the narrator is reminiscing on is based on Anglo –Saxon customs. In the midst of him transitioning from Anglo-Saxon customs to Christian customs, he realizes the difference between the two customs, which are Anglo-Saxons, put their faith in man or material things and Christians, who always put their faith into God, were never failed unlike the Anglo-Saxons. Submitting to the Christian custom, the narrator states “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rest”, meaning putting your faith into God will always work out best for those who has seek hardships. Lastly, I would like to say both Anglo-Saxons and Christian customs tie into real life situations. For instance, throughout the entire text the narrator reminisces on the Anglo-Saxons lifestyle which was very materialist much like people are today. On the other hand, Christians who really haven’t changed much; religion wise, has never really put their faith into material things but into God, much like true Christian today.
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ReplyDelete1.The Anglo-Saxon's believe in materialistic things that are of the Earth.The reason the Anglo-Saxon warrior's point of view has value because the man talks about how not to disrespect another warrior. Also the warrior idolizes many people, for instance the king . There is a line where the man is like talking about how great the kings kisses are. Also, the warrior thinks the he must be an unbendable, strong person who shouldn't need help from others. the Anglo-Saxon side of the man talks about battle, slaughtering, and bloodshed.
ReplyDelete2.The christian POV shows value in may different ways. The man has pretty much lost his whole life through a great disaster which he blame man for. When most non christian lose everything they turn to God because they need someone/something to lean on. Especially for a once warrior who suppose to be fearless, it was pretty much ethically wrong for a man of that time to humble their selves for another man, so we get that this man was at the end of his spiritual ropes and he had to chose. The man understands that he will indeed die and must go somewhere, and he must find a way to get to heaven. he needed to find salvation. However like every person who have ever lived, his worldly things conflicted with his new found faith. The man is overcome with many temptation and its by his faith the he would, or would not, overcome them.
In the Wanderer, the narrator’s experiences have value within two different points of views; as an Anglo-Saxon warrior and as Christianity. The point of view as an Anglo-Saxon warrior can be pointed out when he described the qualities of a man. When the narrator said, “man cannot call himself wise, before he has a share of years in the world. A wise man must be patient, He must never be too impulsive, nor too hasty of speech, nor too weak a warrior, nor too reckless, nor too fearful…” it seems that as a man and as a warrior he must move forward and never give up. However, as a warrior he finds difficulties in moving forward because he is suppose to be loyal to his lord. Also, the viewpoint as a warrior is clearly pointed out when the narrator falls asleep and remembers the battles, the warriors, and the treasures because in the text it says “He remembers hall-warriors and the giving of treasure.” The other point of view is Christianity. The narrator’s experiences could also show Christianity because of the extend metaphor that the sea could represent. The sea could stand for the rebirth of the narrator since the sea could give the sense of leaving his past behind and moving forward with the belief of Christianity. In addition, the need of a new leader or a new beginning of life could also be seen as the path to Christianity.
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ReplyDeleteThis man’s experience has value from the Anglo Saxon point of view because he shows that he misses his days as a warrior. Also, his “lord” is long gone, but he stills remains loyal to him. In the Wanderer we can see how he’s reminiscing and longing for the battles he once fought when the author states, “He remembers hall-warriors and the giving of treasure How in youth his lord accustomed him to the feasting. All the joy has died”. Sometimes, we don’t realize what we have in front of us until it’s gone. The wanderer probably didn’t think much about how important it was to him to be a warrior. Now he realizes that it was what made him such a great Anglo Saxon, and now that he doesn’t have it- it makes him feel lost. The other experience that has value from the Anglo Saxon point of view is his loyalty to his lord. The author shows us how loyal he is when he says, “He thinks in his mind that he embraces and kisses his lord, and on his knees lays his hands and his head. Then are the heavier the wounds of the heart, grievous with longing for the lord.” Through these lines we see that he stills remembers his lord and wishes he was still there with him. No matter how the person above us was, once they’re gone we will miss them.
ReplyDeleteThis man’s experience has value from the Christian point of view because he believes in God and turns to him for salvation. We can see how he believes in God in the lines that say, “And so He destroyed this city, He the creator of Men until deprived of the noise of the citizens.” He believes that God has turned against them. In the past, it was known that God would get rid of all the bad people. If he didn’t believe in God he wouldn’t be blaming Him for anything. Once something goes bad and there’s no one to blame many turn to blame God. This also has value from the Christian point of view because he turns to God for salvation. When there’s nothing left and we don’t know what else to do, God is always there. At the very end, the Wanderer’s solution was God; we can see this with the last few lines that say, “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests.
In the reading of the Wanderer, the narrator presented two points of views at which he took value from in his experiences which were: the Anglo-Saxon point of view, and the Christian point of view. The Wanderer experiences had value from the Anglo-Saxon point of view, due to his loyal upbringing of being a warrior. The following lines showed just how the Wanderer thought about being a warrior and the expectations they were put under: “I know it truly, that it is in men a noble custom, 1: that one 2: should keep secure 3: his spirit-chest (mind), guard his treasure-chamber (thoughts),” (Lines: 12a-16a). The wanderer understood that men had to push forward through any struggle; therefore, whether he could see where he was going, where he had been, or the death of all his fellow warriors and “lord” he had to continue life , and the next lines are instances of just that: “Good is he who keeps his faith, And 1: a warrior 2: must never 3: speak 4: his grief 5: of his breast 6: too quickly, unless he already knows the remedy - a hero must act with courage.” (Lines: 112a- 116a). Then there was the Christian point of view, which the Wanderer too experienced. After all had fell, the Wanderer understood that believing in man had got him nowhere, and it was time to look to the higher power of God, an case in point of so was: “1: Often 2: the solitary one 3: finds grace 4: for himself the mercy of the Lord, “(Lines: 1a-4a). This was a time for the rebirth of the Wanderer. Not knowing what the future had to hold, and forgetting the past as mentioned before, the fear of the unknown was well conscious, but due to the Christian point of view, the Wanderer knew that it would be okay with the trust in God, which was displayed here, “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests.” (Lines: 116a- 118a).
ReplyDeleteIn the wanderer the man has a point of view as an Anglo-Saxon because he has lost his clan and now he wanders alone.While he wanders alone he stays strong and chooses to continue wandering instead of taking his life. While this man has nothing or anyone to turn to, he stays strong and has faith in the lord which helps prove that he is a warrior.
ReplyDeleteIn the wanderer there is a christian point of view. The man is struggling to get by but he keeps faith that he will find a way to overcome the struggles and emotions he is left with. In the poem it says "He thinks in his mind that he embraces and kisses his Lord." This makes me believe that he believes that he believes in the lord. The man has nothing left because his clan is gone and he can't return home; so, all he has is the Lord who has been there even when he had his clan. There is a christian point of view in the poem because it shows that no matter what stuggles you have even when you have no one, God is always there.
The experiences of the narrator of The Wanderer have value from both an Anglo Saxon warrior's view point and a Christian view point. The story has the viewpoint of a warrior when the narrator talks about himself in lines 11-14. He says "So spoke the wanderer, mindful of hardships, of fierce slaughters, and the downfall of kinsmen." He is that he knows that, being an Anglo Saxon warrior, he will face a lot of pain and he will have to watch his friends/fellow warriors be killed. He also says, in lines 15-21 "Often I had alone to speak of my trouble each morning before dawn. There is none now living to whom I dare clearly speak of my innermost thoughts." In these lines, he's saying that there's no one left alive that he feels comfortable enough to talk with about his problems.
ReplyDeleteThe story also has a point of view as a Christian, such as in the last three lines where he says "It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests." It sounds to me like he's saying we should always look to God for help because we will be with Him for the rest of eternity. Also, in lines 1-3, he says "Often the solitary one finds grace for himself the mercy of the Lord." He's saying that someone who feels like they don't have anyone else on Earth to talk to can turn to God to seek comfort.
A. The wanderer’s point of view in the Wanderer as an Anglo Saxon has value because Anglo Saxon’s have strong ways and beliefs becoming of their culture. In the epic it describes all the hard times that this warrior has been through. He has lost everything that he loved the most in his life. His lord and other warriors that he fought with are all dead and he really doesn’t know what to do with himself anymore. In the poem it states “So spoke the wanderer, mindful of hardships, of fierce slaughters, and the downfall of kinsmen: Often (or always) I had alone to speak of my trouble each morning before dawn.” This part of the poem is where the warrior is thinking about things use to be and how much he misses being in battle and everyone that he fought with. Also when he says “I hid my lord in the darkness of the earth,” this again means that when everyone was being converted to Christianity he was hiding what he truly believed in. He really didn’t know what to do because if he did worship his lord he would have been exiled. In the entire poem the warrior is remembering his old Anglo-Saxon life and how much his misses everything that he once had that made his life so great. Everyone can relate to this because as we grow up our past eventually becomes something that we just forget about because we can’t live in the past or we couldn’t ever move forward in life.
ReplyDeleteB. The wanderer’s point of view in the Wanderer as a Christian has value because we can see Christian viewpoints throughout the whole poem. We can see Christian thoughts through the whole poem because during this time was when everyone was being converted to Christianity because of the invasion of the British Islands. Not everyone wanted to become Christians; however, they still went with the flow because they didn’t want to get in trouble for not believing in God. For example, the first few lines of the poem is where Christian beliefs where stated being “Often the solitary one finds grace for himself the mercy of the Lord.” Of the bat we can see that the warrior does have faith in God even though he still wants to worship his Anglo Saxon beliefs. Also, as the poem goes on and states “And so He destroyed this city, He the Creator of Men, until deprived of the noise of the citizens, the ancient work of giants stood empty.” This means that he understands and believes that God has the power to destroy everything with his will. As the poem comes to an end he finally knows that he can’t go back to his Anglo-Saxon life with all his riches and his lord. By the end he finally realizes that he has nothing left and decides to put his faith Christ because that’s all he knows now. When trying to relate this to our everyday life we can very easily because there are a ton of religions and people are changing their beliefs every day. With more people converting to Christianity they are finally seeking Christ.
A: This man’s experience has value from an AS point of view because throughout the entire piece the Anglo Saxon man did not give up. He wandered through the entire piece and felt like giving up but did not. He says “Events must go as they must” which pretty much means no matter what happens, he must strive to continue on. Also, throughout the piece he struggles to keep going even after “the foundation of this world turns to waste. “ I understand this man’s experience because it is similar to a struggle I went through: my sophomore year. In my sophomore year I struggled to stay in the Early College because when I tried out for the soccer team at Southern Vance, I got reconnected with my middle school friends and it felt like I was missing out and wanted to quit; however, I stayed at Early College when I could have just given up.
ReplyDeleteB: This man’s experience has value from a Christian point of view because at the end he knows that the Lord is the only thing he has. For example, he says, “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests” which shows that the man knows all he need is his salvation. In the beginning he also mentioned “1: Often 2: the solitary one3: finds grace 4: for himself the mercy of the Lord,” which lets the reader know right away that his lonely path has taken him to the lord. I know firsthand this experience could have value to many people in the Christian community based on the testimonies I have heard in church and the reaction of people when they hear testimonies.
Through out the reading, the man in the Wanderer faced physical and mental obstacles; these obstacles gave value to his experiences through two different points of views: Anglo-Saxon and Christianity.
ReplyDelete1) The man’s fearlessness when faced with adversity illustrated his loyalty to his “lord”. He sought to find peace despite the death of his beloved “lord” and friends; he took his mournful feelings in strife. All good things come to those who wait; “A wise man must be patience, / he must never be too impulsive/ nor to hasty of speech, / nor to weak a warrior.” Anglo- Saxons were taught to be strong, brave men “mindful of hardships, /of fierce slaughters and the downfall of kinsmen.” For example, when I lost a family member my emotions were everywhere; however, I was aware that I needed to be strong for my family. This portrays how the Wanderer didn’t lose the willingness to continue along this cloudy journey.
2) Christianity has been around for a long time, and for the man in the Wanderer he was on the journey towards salvation. The man has lost everything and has nothing to fall back on, because his friends and “lord” have died. He seeks to have peace because “the wounds of the heart, / grievous with longing for the lord.” The Lord puts us through trials and tribulations, because it’s a way for the Lord to reach his children. “Often the solitary one/ finds grace for himself /the mercy of the Lord.” As a Christian, this is a great story of redemption. Our paths are unknown, but by putting our faith in the Lord we won’t grow weary.
The narrator of the Wanderers experience two sets of values. He has the sense of the value of an Anglo-Saxon point of view and a Christian point of view. As an Anglo-Saxon he knows he has to be strong and fearless. Therefore, he has to move on forward because he has to continue fighting; even though his lord is dead. He is a brave warrior that shows pride for his traditions and strength to continue for what he believes. In the first eight stanzas, he describes his internal conflict. The poet has confusion with all his emotion and doesn’t know what he should do next. He just knows that he can give up. The narrator of the story also has Christianity value because the man is trying to redeem himself after been lost and confuse. He has done many thing that has lead him to the wrong route and kept him away from his religion. Now that he is lonely and lost everything that was very important to him. These allow him to be able to rebirth his self and accept that God is the only master that everyone should worship all the time
ReplyDeleteThe narrator of the Wanderer experience has value from an Anglo Saxon Warrior’s point of view and a Christian point of view. From the Anglo Saxon warrior point of view the value of the experience is him once wanting to be a warrior and having the desire to fight still. From the Christian point of view the value of the experience is that he actually wants to develop the relationship with God now, in seeing that He is all that is left to turn to. This man is in a sorrowful state, feeling lonesome and friendless with no companion. It turns him to searching for that one he may have knew at one time, the one that can be there at all times with him no matter where and can be the ear he needs at his depressing times. In The Wanderer he stated, “ I hid my Lord in the darkness of the earth” (Lines 21a-22a). This shows that he knew about Him but hadn’t gone into it enough in trying to know more about Christian values. He also said, “Often I had alone to speak of my trouble each morning before dawn.” “There is none now living to whom I dare clearly speak of my innermost thoughts” (Lines 8a-10a). This shows that he now had no one after all so that also brought about his Christian views and wanted to search for one that he could talk to at anytime and always know that he is heard.
ReplyDeleteThe experience of the narrator in the wanderer shows value in two areas of life in the old English world: the Christian and the Anglo Saxon. On one hand, the Christian point of view is all based on religion. A Christian believes in a higher power; the higher power is known as “God”, “Jesus”, and or “Lord.” Christians tend to believe that everything happens because of this “higher power.” For example, if a Christian receives a gift they consider it as a blessing from the Lord up above. Most Christians tend to say this happen if they are living right or living by the bible. Every Christian shares one common thing, living for a higher power.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, Anglo-Saxon’s believe in something totally different. Being under leadership by man is a different ball game. Anglo-Saxon’s believe in man and not a “higher power” as do Christians. Believing in what man and the elements of the earth are telling, Anglo-Saxon warriors relied on physical attributes to establish each movement and action. Putting faith into these things, Anglo-Saxon allowed man (they’re Lord) to make their decisions and continued to value them. In the end, the views between beliefs are completely arguable between Christians and Anglo-Saxons.
In the Wanderer the man’s experience has value from a warrior’s point of view. The Anglo Saxon warriors were very strong willed men. The warriors always fought for what they wanted. The warriors were instilled with the morals and values of being strong and fearless. “So spoke the wanderer, mindful of hardships, of fierce slaughters and the downfall of kinsmen,” even though the wanderer was aware of what trials and tribulations were ahead, but he continued on his path to become a greater warrior. This ties into real life because people are always trying to find a path, and to become better on that path. People are constantly trying to better themselves and this is what the wanderer was doing. “I know it truly, that it is in men a noble custom, that one should keep secure his spirit-chest, guard his treasure-chamber, think as he wishes,” is a motto that the warriors lived by. This was to ensure that no trespasser or no enemy can get into the kingdom and destroy the kingdom. The warriors were trying to make sure that their alliances grew stronger without anyone coming in and destroying the foundation that they have built. This relates to real life because in any social setting there are cliques and anyone who tries to break up these cliques will have a hard time fitting in or they just make enemies. The warriors would have had a hard time with an intruder coming into their kingdom and destroying their foundation.
ReplyDeleteHis experience also has some value from the Christian point of view. As the poem begins the reader has the image of the solitary man looking for solace in the Lord after his Lord has died. Another example of this is exampled when the narrator says “Often I had alone to speak of my trouble each morning before dawn.” I believe that this is the wanderer trying to pray. And in the next line he says “There is none now living to whom I dare clearly speak of my innermost thoughts.” He doesn’t have a leader or other warriors to tell his thoughts to. He now had to find another outlet for expressing his thoughts. The wanderer now has to turn to God. Another example that explains the Christian point of view is the last line of the poem. “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests,” shows that the wanderer had finally found the solace he was longing for. Even though that is where the poem ends I feel that the wanderer’s internal conflict was going away. The value that comes from the Christian point of view can be related to real life. There are many people that have something go wrong in their lives. The situations in their life are so bad that they may lose their way, and have to find solace in the Lord to be brought back on the right path.
A- From the AS warrior point of veiw he follows tradition and fights for his king. He wishes to be a strong warrior if not the best. Even though his king died in battle he will keep fighting and will not lose!As a warrior his values would be to be strong, fearless, and not to give up.
ReplyDeleteB- As a Christian, he didn't like to fight and kill. When he killed another warrior as a Christian he felt guilty as if the man shouldn't have died in battle but maybe of old age. His perception changed from being a strong fearless warrior into a man who felt that killing is wrong. As a Christian his values were to be kind and do good.
A. From an Anglo-Saxon warrior’s point of view, the Wanderer has value because it shows that through a man's strife he can keep on going even if he has no one. In the Wanderer the man keeps on dreaming about how his life used to be. The man had riches and a king who he loved. I believe these memories of a better time are what kept him going and what adds value to this point of view.
ReplyDeleteB. From a Christian point of view, the Wanderer has value because it can be used as an analogy of every man’s journey through life and what it takes to find the lord. Most people have to lose everything, as did the man in the Wanderer, to understand that God will provide when there seems to be no way. The man in the wanderer didn’t really think about God until he was in an absolute place of desperation. At that moment he called out and truly believed God would save him. Moments like this are what every Christian looks for, a time when all you know is that God will help you through.
In the Wanderer, the character experiences hints that he is an Anglo-Saxon warrior. The Wanderer shows that the character is a hard warrior because he fights with understanding what he wants to believe in. Anglo- Saxons are bold sea warriors and in the Wanderer the theme circulated around the sea. In the Wanderer, it states that “the whole troop has fallen, the proud ones, by the wall, which describes an Anglo-Saxon Warrior having bravery. This character experience is looked as a Christian because he is lost between his faiths and doesn’t know which way to turn. In the Wanderer, it stated that and so he destroyed this city, He, the creator of Men, until deprived of the noise of the citizens, the ancient work of giants stood empty, which proves that he have some belief in God. He also battles with having a physical context verse a spiritual context in life. In the Christian view, the theme circulated around the sea, which reflects with the message “life gets hard but at some point in a person life he has to find his way or die trying”.
ReplyDeleteA. In The Wanderer the characters goal as an Anglo-Saxon warrior is to be loyal to his king and to fight and die by his side. As a warrior his values were to be strong and to fight and die if necessary for his king. His path was also set forth for him and he was to be a wanderer if his lord was to be struck down.
ReplyDeleteB. As a Christian, his views changed and also his actions were to be changed as well. He struggled to fit into the lifestyle to forget his barbaric ways. As described it was similar to a rough journey on the sea. He now had to have faith in a being that is not able to be seen which is God. This could be seen as a huge struggle for a wanderer who has put so much faith into someone they could actually see and touch.
The narrator of Wanderer have value from an Anglo Saxon warrior point of view because he was a man that was brave who took the challenge of forgetting his past and moving forward. He also had an Anglo Saxons point of view because they were the type of people who fought for what they believed and was fearless of the outcome but not their enemies. For example it says in the poem “The good warrior must understand how ghostly it will be,” which meant based on his beliefs he still has to remain boldly and his leader will still be there in sprit. The Anglo Saxon warriors were the hardcore fighters of their beliefs. And this is how the narrator in Wanderer was, he was a strong believer who was empty and didn’t care where he went as long as he could be happy again. This can be proven because in the poem he says “The eager for glory often bind” which meant he wanted to happy again and that’s what he is waiting on. This was how most warriors viewed certain situations because they would lose but they know it’s not the end of the world, and they know that they have to remain brave and strong in order to serve as that position of being a man. (B).In the Wanderer the narrator also had a Christian point of view of forgetting your past and put all your troubles in God hands and he will help you overcome the burden been carried. For example in the poem it says “the Creator’s help through with care” proves that his leader will care for him regardless. The narrator also has a Christian point of view because he keeps his faith that soon everything will be just fine. He also feels as if he will no longer be lonely and he will have a much better life. In the bible it mentions how we are suppose to have faith in God and we will have a much smoother life. The narrator believed that too because in the poem it says “He is good to keep faith; grief must never escape.” Also we have been taught to never cry when death happens we are supposed to rejoice. However, what I am saying here is that in the bible it says “Weeping may endure for a night but joy comes in the morning” this shows that you will be comfort by angels and strengthen by your grieve. And when the narrator lost his leader he was sadden but he knew from his beliefs he had to stay strong and keep moving to see what life had in store for him. Yes, death is hard to deal with but having faith in God or whoever you believe in will make things a lot better, and that’s the way I interrupt the narrator point of view of Christianity was.
ReplyDeleteA. In the Wanderer, the narrator’s experience has value from an Anglo-Saxon point of view because he continues to fight his fight even though he was not necessarily winning. Anglo-Saxon traditions are based highly around a warrior mentality; for example, they were bold sea warriors and hard fighters. He also describes the troops being ‘joy deprived’ and ‘fallen’ and later says the ‘proud ones still stood by the wall’. Overall in the Anglo-Saxon view his warrior mentality as a value.
ReplyDeleteB. In the Wanderer, the narrator’s experience has value from a Christianity point of view because he is in a time period where Christianity began to emerge and he is lost between joining a new religion and holding on to his traditional beliefs. His old animism ways gave him a solid visual to worship on Earth; however, in Christianity you need firm faith because they believe in a heavenly aspect – requiring you to trust what you can’t really see. For example when the narrator was at sea, all the water symbolized his confusion as to where he was heading. In the Wanderer, he proclaims he sees before him 'fallow waves' embracing that he is lost because everything in coming at him in so many directions.
How does this man’s experience have value from:
ReplyDeletea. An AS warrior’s point of view?
In The Wanderer, the man's experience as a Anglo-Saxon warrior value because in his journey he fights with the understanding of what he believes in and the value of a man. He struggles but he finds that a man or a warrior has to go through a tough time to become a man. For example, Lines 64a - 72a in the Wanderer.
b. A Christian point of view?
As a Christian, He was confused and didn't know which way to turn. Yet, by the end he believe a man have to seek God in the heavens before anyone gets permanent rest. For instance, in the Wanderer stanza 112a.
In the Wanderer, there is a warrior who has lost his"lord",and in the Anglo-Saxon culture the warriors devote themselves to their lord. Therefore, when the warrior's lord died he was lost and didnt know where to go which made him question his up bringings.
ReplyDeleteTo conitue, the christian point of veiw of the Wanderer is a man who has lost everything that is material and valuable in his life; therefore, he turns to God for help. However, the warrior had never been without his lord so he is having a hard time giving his trust to God, which is something that is not material nd he cant touch.
1. How does this man’s experience have value From an AS warrior’s point of view?
ReplyDeleteAnswer: According to the AS warrior ways, if you did not believe/follow a lord, then you where an exile amongst the people. Because this man was considered an exile, he went out and traveled the lands in search of a new lord. He had many attempts and many fails, yet they AS admired how he never gave up through the whole process. The AS warrior ethic is summarized in the Germanic "heroic code." the Anglo-Saxon warrior ideal is the Reciprocal loyalty between retainer and warlord; the warrior serves his lord in battle and in return, he is rewarded with "gifts from the throne" for his courage, with rings and torcs of "fair twisted gold" and also with public recognition for valor in battle when his lord "was wont to entertain him at the feast". The second feature is a revenge obligation on behalf of both the warrior's kin and the warrior's lord. If the warrior's lord were killed in battle, it would be the retainer's duty to either avenge him or to find his own death in the attempt. The exiled warrior of The Wanderer speaks of how he had to wrap his "lord's remains in darkness of the earth" from which we might deduce that he lost his lord in battle; yet instead of dying a heroic death at his lord's side, he is left behind and seems to be ashamed of that fact. The third and final key feature of the Anglo-Saxon warrior ideal is courage, the duty to win fame in battle even and especially when victory seems impossible. In The Wanderer we can see a different kind of courage in the exile. He goes through all of these difficulties and still finds a way to keep on plowing through, even when danger kept creeping along the way.
2. How does this man’s experience have value From a Christian point of view?
Answer: In this poem, “The Wanderer” went off of the Christian idea of the possibility of God's favor and grace, which the speaker holds up as the only possible refuge from all the misery he witnesses. The spiritual progress of the wanderer has been described as an "act of courage of one sitting alone in meditation", who through embracing the values of Christianity seeks "a meaning beyond the meanings of earthly values". The Christians would look at this man as one who lost faith along the way of his hard trials and struggles, but is fighting endlessly to redeem himself among who he believes is truly his one and only lord and savior. It is just the typical way of Christian thinking. A person is free to believe in whatever they want or nothing at all, but is still considered a person with a loss of faith. Same thing goes on in this day of age, because if a person was to look back, they would see that today’s Christian religion is not too much different from back then.
In the Wanderer,the Anglo-Saxon paert of him was lost because of the fact that his lord had died and they dedicated their loyalty to their lord and not the actual man upstairs he didnt know how to handle being a christian.
ReplyDeleteThe man's christian side in the Wanderer couldnt really be revealed because of the lifestyle he was used to and he had a hard time putting his faith in the real GOD.
The man in the Wander experienced both metal and physical hardships. These hardships made him come to realize what life had in store for him. This man’s experience can be viewed from an Anglo Saxon or Christian point of view.
ReplyDeleteA)The man’s experience from an Anglo Saxon’s point of view has value because his exposure to rigors could be viewed as strong and powerful. He never gave up even when he thought all hope was lost. As an Anglo Saxon he said, “Events always go as they must!” The Anglo Saxon way was to never give up no matter the difficulty. They were raised to be fierce warriors and to stick together. When the wanderer became lost and alone, he had to remember his upbringing and stick to the Anglo Saxon way. There are still ways today we follow some Anglo Saxon beliefs. We know that we are going to have to overcome hardships and we just have to keep fighting until we win the “battle.”
B)The wanderer’s experience from a Christian point of view has value because he had no one to turn to but God in his wandering because he was all alone. With a Christian point of view, the wanderer believed that everything was in God’s hands and that he would take care of him. This gave the wanderer hope in life because he had lost everyone and everything close to him and he thought he had nothing left. When he realized that Christianity was the only way he could make sense of all the hardships he experienced. He says, “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rest.” Even today, people believe and trust in God and to believe that he knows the right path for us just as long as we go by his word in our lives and try to help others to see the right path to follow.
A. The Wanderer holds value to the Anglo-Saxon because it appeals to the the life of most Anglo-Saxon men at the time. Every man can identify with the history of the Wanderer, his old loyalty to the land and his struggles. They also can identify with the sorrow the wanderer feels not being apart of a nation anymore.
ReplyDeleteB. The Wanderer holds value to the Christian because it appeals to the struggles they've went through as well. The appeal to the sinner who has been put through trials and tribulations and have only gotten on the right track because of the grace of God!!!! For those who weren't already Christians, it may have helped convert them.
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ReplyDeleteIn the story The Wanderer, the main character experiences’ have value in two point of views; the Anglo-Saxon view and Christian view. Lines 29- 32,” The weary spirit cannot withstand fate, nor does a rough or sorrowful mind do any good” reflect the Anglo Saxon view. These lines reflect the Anglo Saxon point of view because in their culture only the strong survive and in these lines the narrator states that impatient or weak minded person can withstand the challenges he faces day by day. Another example of the Anglo-Saxon point of view is in lines 43-52, “I hid my lord in the darkness of the earth and I, wretched, from there travelled most sorrowfully over the frozen waves, sought sad at the lack of a hall, a giver of treasure, where I, far or near, might find one in the mead hall who knew my people”. These line reflect the Anglo-Saxon point of view because, in their culture males leave their families to join army-like clans led by militant leader they viewed as their “god”, and in these lines the narrator rants about how he misses his lord and the other males who he battled with. The narrator talks in the Christian point of view in the last stanza of the story where he states, “It is better for one that seeks mercy consolation from the father in the heavens, where for us, all permanence rests.” This stanza reflects the Christian point of view because, in the Christian culture people view god as their saver and the one who holds all answers and in this stanza the narrator talks about how it’s better to believe in him than in man. The second to last stanza,” Good is he who keeps his faith, and a warrior must never speak his grief of his breast too quickly, unless he already knows the remedy”, have value from a Christian point of view. In the bible, the Christian holy book, one of the things it talks is how Christians should say faithful to the lord even through rough times and how you should count your blessings not on things you hate or give you trouble. The words the narrator said reflect this point of view because he talks about how a having faith is a virtue and how you shouldn’t focus on your problems unless you know how to fix them.
In the Wanderer,the anglo saxon stresses the physical world, the fairness, boasting,loyalty to the tribe and the tribal leader, and the importance of being kind, generous and bravery. Being to the fact that he's a upcoming warrior, he never gives up and remembers the Anglo Saxon beliefs. This man continues to stay stong and fight even though he really wasn't winning. From the Christian point of view, this man turns to God for help because he now knows that there is no other way but God. He is confuse and doesn't know which way to turn. He realizes that it's best for him to turn to God. God has it all covered and we should always seek him.
ReplyDelete1. The Anglo-Saxon point of view on the Wanderer is easy to access because it shows us how materialistic the wanderer was. Also, we can see how he was a man who loved his lord/master as a warrior would. Warriors love their leaders because they were the ones who made them great, so we an see that he has that quality along with the desire for treasures and gifts.
ReplyDelete2. The wanderer gives a Christian point of view also. From the first few lines that says:
" 1: Often 2: the solitary one
3: finds grace 4: for himself
the mercy of the Lord,"
we can see that after the wanderer lost everything, he would soon only have nothing else but the Lord, God, to fall back on. When you are alone, you think a lot and he possibly had an epiphany on his life, which was full of battles and fighting, and afterwards, he quickly found that all he has now and has ever needed was the Lord.
A- From the Anglo-Saxon warrior's point of view the Wanderer has great value because every man during this time can identify with how the warrior felt during this time of confusion. He no longer has anyone and at some point of a persons life they lose somone who they have looked up to. In the story the wanderer has a lord, in the present time we have older adults.
ReplyDeleteB- From a Christian's point of view the Wanderer has a religious appeal because the wanderer's struggle could be an analogy of his struggle to follow Christ. In the story he is a sinner searching for salvation in a time of lonelyness and need.
The Wanderer had two point of views: The Anglo-Saxon and Christianity. He had the AS value because he missed his days a warrior, he was committed to his tribe, and value his lord although he's gone. He doesn't forget their beliefs and he knows he has to be strong during those fights. He also valued the king because he thought he embraced and kissed the lord; however, when he woke up he realized he really didn't. In the Christian point of view he is lost in life and depends on the lord to guide him throughout his life. in the wanderer it says: “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests." and it's true because he didn't have anyone to turn to except God. When he noticed there was nothing left for him, he turned to God for salvation.
ReplyDeletehow does this man’s experience have value from:
ReplyDeletea. An AS warrior’s point of view?
b. A Christian point of view?
A. This is a experienxe that a man must go through, so the warriors can learn how to deal with this problem. Because people die in war the warriors can learn how to look pass the death of people and strenght themselves against sorrow, so they will not fold in war. At this time been loyalty was apart of everyones life and if they couldnt be loyalt to anyone then they had not life.
B.For a christan they would view this as a choose between life and death, going on or stopping. A man must choose the path of going with the crowd or being alone wolf, but the christian konws and believes that the man should become a christian because it is the right thing to do. The christian pov is that we have to convert the people to them.
In the story The Wanderer, the wanderer experiences values from both the Christian and Anglo-Saxon point of view. In lines 42-46, He states, “He thinks in his mind that he embraces and kisses his lord and on his (the lord’s) knees lays his hands and his head”. This quote is linked to an Anglo-Saxon warrior point of view. He explains how his thoughts contain of worshipping his leader. In the Anglo Saxon time period, warriors viewed their leaders as their “gods” because they had no previous solid religious beliefs. In lines 108-113, he also states, “Here money is fleeting, here friend is fleeting, here man is fleeting, here kinsman is fleeting, all the foundation of this world turns to waste!” In my opinion this quote can be represented in by a Christian point of view. In the Holy Bible, in the Book of Revelations, it is explained how everything known to man will soon be destroyed and disappear. Next, in line 113, he says, “Good is he who keeps his faith”. This can also be linked to a Christian point of view. I say this because in the Bible, it is numerously stated that it is good to keep your faith. Christians believe and still believe that if you keep your faith in the Lord, good will come to past. This is the way of many Christians today.
ReplyDeleteFrom the point of view of both an Anglo-Saxon and a Christian, how does this man’s experience hold value?
ReplyDeleteA. Anglo-Saxon warrior would consider "The Wanderer" valuable because the warlike society is slowly dying. As Christianity took over the Anglo-Saxon life, the warrior felt lost in the world. Everything that the warrior valued was disappearing. The Anglo-Saxons valued their rulers, possessions, and fighting. A true Christian doesn’t value earthly possessions. The “the ice-cold sea” that the writer mentions represents his uncertainty of the future. The wanderer misses the days of feasting and fighting.
B. A Christian would consider "The Wanderer" valuable because it represents starting a new and perhaps rewarding life as a Christian. As the warrior became lost in the world, he found hope in serving the Lord. In the passage he says “It’s better to seek mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens.” This tells us that finding God during times of uncertainty is a good option. "The Wanderer" seems parallel to the Christian ideology of trustinng God to make the best out of bad situations and starting something new, which my mom's church emphasizes.
The wanderer’s has Anglo Saxons experiences because he values materialistic things that are from the Earth. He also thinks highly of his king and glorifies him. He said that the kings kisses are great. He is a warrior that refuses help from others.
ReplyDeleteThe wanderer’s has value from the Christian point of view because he, in the end, realizes that through it all God is the only person he can turn to. This is evident when he states, “It is better for the one that seeks mercy, consolation from the father in the heavens, where, for us, all permanence rests”. I believe that in this statement he is saying that all he need is God and/or he salvation. This is something people still struggle with still to this day. Through all their pain and sufferings they tend to lose sight of their faith in God. However in the end that’s who they turn back to.
1.) In the wanderer this man has clung to his earthly possessions and has placed them as high priority. Since he feels the loss of his lord he must return to what his ansestors believed in. No matter the fight or task ahead of him he pushes forward and displays how a worrior must act to belong to the AS stereotype.
ReplyDelete2.) Most christians would argue that this story is all about the bible and religion. Once this man had lost everything his friends and culture he had nothing to fall back on. The man had no choice but to look for answer elsewhere which lead him to this greater being. The wanderer shows the key values in christianity which are never giving up jope and always pushing for a better life.
In the epic, Beowulf there is a lot of allusions towards Christianity; in which Beowulf displays actions and values that could condemn him according to the word of the Lord. In Anglo Saxon culture boasting is a characteristic that is valued; however, in Mathew 6:1 it clearly states: “Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven”. The pervious verse within the Bible is telling humans that even when a good deed is done boasting or un-pure reasons for completing the deed will not lead to salvation from the Lord.
ReplyDeleteIn contrast, Beowulf gives all his glory to the Lord for his victories. When Beowulf is boasting, which again is a part of his culture, he clearly makes sure that his audience knows that God has lead by fate to victory. For example, Beowulf was faced with the challenge of defeating Gredel; Beowulf was in battle with the horrible monster when he used no armor because he knew the Lord would make a way for him to succeed. This shows that even thought Beowulf could be condemn because he boast about his great and many deeds he give thanks and glory to the Lord.
To continue, a Christian audience might feel sympathetic towards Beowulf and the Anglo Saxon culture because the culture as a whole takes action with a warrior point of view. The culture also lives with the thought of loyalty in everything they do. The Anglo Saxon culture believes that they should give to those who have worked hard and done right by the people; therefore, displaying great Christian values. The Anglo Saxons also give their loyalty to the leader (king or queen) in which the leader (king or queen) makes sure he or she gives all respect to their followers. This is an example of how the leaders follow a great moral code and shows their Christian beliefs.
To conclude, Beowulf, the epic allows readers to see a culture display how humans are not perfect and walking with the Lord is a hard battle itself; however, the warrior culture uses their loyal ways to exemplify how good deeds will be rewarded and comes from the heart. ,The culture also shows how faith in the Lord could also lead a person to victory.